Using Mentors to Fast Track Yourself to Success w/ Shalon Palmer (Worship Online)

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Alex |

Hello, beautiful people. Welcome to another episode of the Worship ministry training podcast. I’m so glad you are here for the Academy members watching live. Hello. I see you guys online and feel free to use the comments to chat with us and to type things. And then also we’re going to be doing a Q and A at the end with the wonderful, the beautiful, the handsome Shaylan Palmer from Worship Online, which I will introduce in just a second. Why don’t we welcome Shailen to the show? Shaylan, how are you doing?

 

Shalon Palmer |

I am doing amazing. Fresh out the sauna.

 

Alex |

Fresh out the sauna. Oh, my God.

 

Shalon Palmer |

My new apartment has a sauna in it. Can you believe that? I was just like I’m in it.

 

Alex |

Every day, living the high life. I know. Where are you at nowadays? Because you’re kind of a world traveler.

 

Shalon Palmer |

I’m in Santa Monica.

 

Alex |

Santa Monica. We literally could be doing this interview live because I’m like 25 minutes from you.

 

Shalon Palmer |

But I thought about that too. I thought about that honestly, because last time we did the interview, you were like, I’m so close.

 

Alex |

But dude, I’m so stoked to connect with you. And you wrote a book on worship mentoring or worship mentors, and it’s basically synthesizing all of the conversations that you guys have had with some of the elite worship leaders all over the world. Like the best of the best names that everybody is familiar with. You’ve interviewed them all and you synthesize their findings into this awesome book, which is actually free. All people have to do is pay for shipping. And so we’ll tell them how to get the book in just a minute. But I want to hone this first conversation around the topic of mentoring and mentorship and being mentored or being a mentor and just kind of start the conversation by like, why did you write this book and why is it so important that we discuss this topic of mentoring or mentorship?

 

Shalon Palmer |

First off, I’ll start off saying that I’m not passionate about mentorship, which dropped the mic there, but I mean, I am passionate about people growing and bettering themselves and becoming the best and fulfilling their dreams and achieving things for the kingdom. And I think mentorship is one of the most powerful ways to do that. So in a sense, I am passionate about mentorship. I know I’m not passionate, but in a sense I am. But it’s not the end all. Yeah, it’s just a way to get to the things that we are passionate about. And so I think it’s really important and I just wanted to caveat with that. And I basically think that this book was created initially. I’ll just go back because it’s a foundation of the lessons I’ve learned throughout my life. And there was a time when I was actually homeless and sleeping in my truck. And the concepts that are in this book and the reason that I wrote it was they’re the things that brought me to where I am today. I know everyone’s like, wow, I thought we were about to talk about worship leadership and I just took a turn fast about me being homeless.

 

Shalon Palmer |

So it was just right there with me. But if you’ll bear with me, this will all come together. I haven’t really told the story many times, but I basically kind of fell out of school and then my mom ended up kicking me out of the house because I wasn’t in school anymore, which led to me kind of sleeping in my truck and couchsurfing with really whoever would let me. At the time, I really had nothing, but I was a groundskeeper at a church and I was a worship leader and I just wasn’t happy. I was depressed and I had to really figure out what I was going to do because I literally couldn’t keep living the way that I was living. I was constantly struggled. But really what turned it all around for me and the reason that it kind of put this book together was this concept of just feeding my mind. And so what I mean by that is at the time I was lucky enough to have a mentor figure in my life and he told me this, and this is one of the most important things that kind of took me from that depressed state.

 

Shalon Palmer |

And he said, stand guard at the door of your mind. And I remember that he came to me one day and I was like super frustrated and all these things going on and I was working so hard and it felt like nothing was working and I was just completely fed up. And he came to me and said, Shaylan, what are you reading? Tell me who you’re talking to. Tell me who you’re surrounding yourself with. And I was like, Well, I mostly by myself or with my friends. He broke it down like this. He said, Answer this question for me. And I remember very vaguely, he was like, what happens if your worst enemy drops by and drops I think he said, Drops sugar in your coffee. And I was like, well, you’d have sweet coffee. Yeah, okay. He said yes. Now, what happens if your best friend, even by accident or even a loved one, or family member, sister, friend, or grandma, or grandpa drops one drop of strict nine in your coffee? And I was like, well, you’ll be dead for sure. He said, you’re right. Now remember, life is both sugar and strict nine, so watch your coffee.

 

Shalon Palmer |

And I remember like, what the heck? What the heck does that even mean? And it comes to find out, he went in to explain a little more. What he really meant was stand guard at the door of your mind, like, be careful who and what you let speak into your life. And it just kind of clicked right there. And I was like, oh, I get it. Without going off on a tangent, like the media, for instance, they’re not bad people, but they’re companies. They got to take care of their shareholders. And the way they win is by getting your eyeballs. And so the only way they get your eyeballs in a world where there’s just so much information coming everywhere, everywhere is just to startle you. And so the news is not designed to educate you and inform you and you know that, but it’s why they say things like how drinking water will kill you. Tune in at eleven. It’s just silly things and anything that grabs you. It’s like we live in this culture of fear and so if you’re going to take your life back and you’re going to stand guard at what you’re allowing into your mind, there’s literally people out there whose entire life is designed clickbait and algorithms just to get you to stay online longer.

 

Shalon Palmer |

It’s not necessarily to our advantage. And so how this relates to mentorship and I put this study in the book, harvard did this study recently and they found that the people you habitually associate with, they determine as much as 95% of your success or failure in life. And that’s a lot. That’s a lot. I’ve even heard it said like this. You’re the average of the five people that you spend the most time with. So if you’re constant, constantly around five negative people, you’re going to be the 6th. And if you’re constantly around five overweight or unhealthy people, you’re going to be the 6th. If you’re around five winners, you’re going to be the six. That’s just the way I’ve even heard it. I even heard it originally. Like, if you’re around five losers, you’re going to be the six. And I knew at the time that was absolutely true in my life because I was struggling in my relationships. And you can look back like, so were most of the people I hung around, and I was out of shape and had a terrible diet, and so were all the people that I was hanging around.

 

Shalon Palmer |

I was struggling in my work and wanting to be a worship leader. And it’s like I didn’t know anyone who was good at that or knew how to actually make an impact with their teams and all these things. It was just kind of obvious that the people I was hanging around weren’t like, if I was becoming like them. Well, they weren’t the best influences, great people. But I needed to find some people that I could actually learn from and that could help guide the conversations that I’m having and the mentalities and the things that I’m thinking about all day, every day. So if I was going to get anywhere in those areas that I wanted to improve in, specifically worship leadership, I needed some new perspectives that actually worked. And even more. It’s like a lot of times going back to the coffee strict nine thing, even more many times, our friends and the people that love us, they have the best intentions, but they may be the ones dropping strict nine into our coffee. So it’s like, be careful who you let speak into your life. And you can do that by examining the fruits.

 

Shalon Palmer |

So I started being aware of who was saying what and what I was taking in. For example, I love my mom to death. I love my mom to death. And I mentioned before we got started, my mom’s been divorced a couple of times, a few times. And she’s single now, in her old age, and she struggled with her relationships for as long as I can remember. Although she means well and I love her to death, I’m not going to take my relationship advice from her. I know that’s kind of a controversial thing to say, but it’s like I really have to guard who I’m taking my advice from. I can honor her and respect her, but when she starts giving me advice for relationship and that’s with anyone who’s been isn’t it funny how our friends who have the worst relationships and ever, they’re the first ones to give us advice on our relationships? Okay. I’m very cautious about what I’m allowing into my mind. With that said, my mom is one of the most loving giving prayer warriors that I know. So when she starts talking about things like having a healthy prayer life or how to love your children the best, that’s like when I start to listen up.

 

Shalon Palmer |

And so it’s like, just pay attention to the fruits. It’s like people like our friends and our family, they love to give unsolicited advice. And how often are we letting people speak into our lives that have no idea themselves how to achieve success in those areas? And so why am I taking financial advice from Chris when Chris is caught up in his third Ponzi scheme this month? It’s funny, but we do it every day. So pay close attention to the fruits of the people’s lives that you’re allowing to speak into you. And so the thing that changed my life and the reason that I wrote this book, is whenever you want to grow in any area of your life, seek out the most successful people you know or that you can find in those areas, and that is the fastest way to grow, bar none. Surround yourself with their wisdom. So you start to think like they think, and you start to act like they act. Like I said at the beginning, I’m not necessarily passionate about mentorship, but I am passionate about achieving and growing and becoming the best version of yourself so you can give to others and help grow the kingdom.

 

Shalon Palmer |

So the way you can do that is go after that knowledge. Get it from books, get it from podcasts, even one on one. This is a big one that a mentor told me is like, great ideas are never going to interrupt you. They have to be pursued. So if you don’t pursue it, you’re just going to get what everyone else has. So everyone else has what everyone else has is what? Fear, uncertainty. Everybody’s focused on what won’t work, what can’t happen and why it can’t happen, because they’re afraid. They’re afraid to fail. They’re afraid to try because they don’t want to feel like they’re not enough or whatever. So you have to stand guard at the door of your mind, but you also have to feed your mind. And so there’s this quote from, I don’t know if you know who Jim Rohn is. He’s like old school, like self development, kind of coach. And this is kind of one of the things that this whole book is based on is kind of this idea. It’s like success leaps clues. So the whole worship mentors book is based on that premise. The fastest way to success is by studying successful people.

 

Shalon Palmer |

If someone is successful, they’re not lucky, they’re doing something different than you. And I know I keep saying the word success. In ministry and Christianity, that can be like a no no works like, oh, success, you know, like, we’re just here for God. But success can mean like a lot of different things. Success can be like happiness it can be fulfillment, it can be successfully achieving your dreams or successfully bringing someone to Christ, or successfully whether that’s financial, whether that’s in your health, whether that’s in any area of your life, whether that’s in your personal growth and development. I keep using success, but that’s what I mean when I say success.

 

Alex |

It’s achieving your potential. It’s achieving what you here to do. The purpose that he placed you on the planet, it’s living that out and fulfilling it.

 

Shalon Palmer |

Yeah, exactly. And I think that’s such an important thing. If someone is successful, they’re doing something different than you and they successfully clues and let’s find out what they’re doing. Actually, this is kind of funny. Another mentor of mine told me one time, he’s like, find out what unhappy, unsuccessful and unfulfilled people are doing. And reading and don’t do that. And don’t read that.

 

Alex |

Yeah, that’s so true.

 

Shalon Palmer |

He’s like, I always thought that was funny. And it makes a lot of sense actually, too. So find out what successful people do, what happy, fulfilled people do, what people changing the world for the better do, and do that. And this simple idea is what changed my life from being homeless and depressed and feeling, like, unfulfilled. It’s funny. We actually had crossed the $150,000 oh, my God. Not dollar 50,000. Worship leader and musicians have gone through one of our trainings as of last year, so I’m pretty excited about that. That was like, a big number. We did like, oh, my God, 150,000. Like, one of our trainings. A lot of them are free, some of them are paid, but that’s a big number. We’ve had a huge deal with a lot of people. Yeah. It’s so amazing. This one idea is what took me from that place to being able to be a part of something that’s, like, I could have never dreamed of. I could have never dreamed of something like this. So it’s like so years ago, like about four years ago, actually, is like when I when I went out to look for a resource of the best of the best advice for worship leaders from successful leaders that are actually doing it and making a massive impact in the world so I could study them like we’ve talked about it.

 

Shalon Palmer |

Unfortunately, that just didn’t exist, so we decided to create it. So four years ago now, we started interviewing people and we started to study everyone that we could find. That was, like, making a huge impact in the kingdom through worship. Like worship leaders, like song writers, worship pastors, band leaders. Some in the book are really well known and some are lesser known because it’s like these people were actually making a huge impact in their community even though they’re not worldwide known. We met with them too, and then kind of distilled their best advice and strategies into this. I’ve been holding it. I don’t know if you can see it. I’ve been holding it into this action packed book of success clues. The success clues that is a worship mentor. So it’s basically a collection of proven blueprints for making a massive impact in the world through worship. So even a complete beginner like worship leader with no voice or team could gain the confidence and skill set to change their community and the world through worship. And we’re giving away for free.

 

Alex |

I love it. That’s so amazing. And we’ll put links in the show notes and below the YouTube video where people can get that and so many things you share it’s so scriptural in case everybody’s thinking this is like, hey, this sounds kind of like self development or New Age or whatever, it’s not. Because if you think about what it says, paul says, bad company corrupts good character. Right? Like who you befriend is who you become. And I think that is so true and so really looking at who you’re spending time with really matters. And then I was just preparing a lesson for our church. I’m teaching about managing technology and about all the inputs that we’re putting in our mind. And there’s a proverb. I didn’t know it was a proverb. I typed in the phrase and I realized it’s a proverb but it says, as a man thinketh, so he is. It’s like what you think about and then it says guard your heart for out of it. It’s the wellspring of life and your whole life flows from it. We have to guard our heart and our mind. Wrong way heart and mind and yeah, we have to protect our thoughts and our thinking.

 

Alex |

And so I think everything you shared is so good and one thing that you said too is find someone who has been wildly successful at what you want to do and go talk to them because there’s a way they got there so you can follow that path. They’ve already paved the way. And so I think that’s for me, the podcast, I’ve been doing it for eight years, it’s been so helpful for me. It started out before I was recording it, it was like I would go to the church down the street who’s got a bigger sanctuary and fancier stuff and a better band and I would be like, hey, I’m taking you out to lunch. Tell me everything you know. So that’s how it starts and you start to get better because you’re surrounding yourself with people who are better than you. So I love everything you shared and.

 

Shalon Palmer |

I can’t even imagine the amount of wisdom and knowledge and advice that you take in just from doing this podcast. I know a lot of people that have started podcasts just not because they wanted to grow an audience, just because they wanted an excuse to just sit down and talk with people and learn themselves. And I’m sure that’s what you’re doing because I can’t even imagine I’m getting.

 

Alex |

Like a free master class for me right now and so are all of my listeners. It’s crazy. So I would love to ask a couple more questions about mentorship. Are there any kind of common misconceptions that people have about mentorship? I think one of them you hit on that I’d love for you to expound upon is you don’t have to take good advice and bad advice from the same person. You can separate people out based on what they’re good at. Can you share more about that and any other kind of common misconceptions that you see?

 

Shalon Palmer |

For sure? I think, yeah, like you said, you don’t have to have one mentor. I know growing up in church, it’s like find a mentor or have create disciples or discipleship, that kind of thing. But you don’t have to have just one mentor. I have a lot. I have a lot for different areas of my life. My business mentor is way different than my fitness and health person that I look up to. And that person is way different than the person I look up for my spirituality type stuff because I want to be the best in all of those areas. And it’s like my pastoral mentor isn’t necessarily an expert on health and wellness and he doesn’t know what the fastest way to get lean and create a healthy body and make my body alkaline and all that kind of stuff. So it’s like you don’t have to do that. It’s a misconception that you have to just have one person. I think you should have a lot. I think you should have many. And I think also, but definitely be just have discernment about who you’re allowing to speak into your life if you’re just going to have a lot.

 

Shalon Palmer |

But I say I have a lot. It’s just like a handful of very specific, very specific people. And another misconception I think is like and this is what holds people back a lot of time, I think, is they think that you have to have these one on one personal conversations. It’s like, no, we’re in the 20 wait, are we in the 22nd century? 21st century? We are in the 21st century. You do not have to personally speak to anybody. For my first six years of growing on this journey, I had maybe one person that I spoke to personally. But you don’t have to do that. Yeah, it’s great, but I jump into books and podcasts and audiobooks. I think that’s a big one that holds people back. But I don’t have a mentor because I don’t know anybody. And it’s like, that’s okay, anything you want is online right now. Just go online, do a Google search that books have been written on everything and anything especially it’s a big one like Worship Mentors. It’s a book. You’re probably not going to have the luxury to go out and speak to all of these people like we did.

 

Shalon Palmer |

But you can read the book and you can study these people and study their lives and listen to their podcasts and learn so much. And just when I first kind of started out building worship online, I just dove head first into books and podcasts and wisdom from people and I was just ingesting all of this knowledge and all of this wisdom and it became part of who I am. Every time I went on a walk or run, I had headphones and just listening or any time I had downtime, like I was reading a book. And it’s like at the time I didn’t really talk to have any friends. I had moved to a new city. So all of my communication and the five people I was hanging out with the most were virtual mentors that I never spoke to personally. And that changed everything down to a cellular level in my body. It changed how my mind was wired. I started thinking bigger, I started seeing more possibilities. I started being very solution minded instead of problem minded. It changed just like those conversations that I was having virtually in my mind with these mentors changed every bit of who I am and what I started to think about.

 

Shalon Palmer |

And so I think that’s a big one. If you don’t know people personally, that’s fine. That’s completely fine. Do it virtually dive into books. If you’re the average of the five people you hang out with most, make those five people that you’re spending a lot of time with, like books and authors, spend time with them through their books and ingest that knowledge. I think that’s a huge one. Nothing can hold, there’s no excuse now. You have the information, you have the knowledge, you can do it.

 

Alex |

Yeah, I think that’s so huge. And I think for me well, I’ll just recap what you said quickly so everybody make sure they catch it. You don’t have to know the person personally. And you can have multiple mentors who are good at different things. One who’s good at spiritual life, one who’s good at finances, one who’s good at business, one who’s good at health. For me, something that I’ve realized I didn’t realize I’d do this, but I do this quite often is if I have a topic I want to learn, I’ll find a podcast about it, and I’ll go through the entire archive of episodes, which, by the way, everybody who listens to the Worship Ministry training podcast or the Worship online podcast, you should do that as well and go through all of our last many years of episodes and find the ones that you’re interested in. I always tell people to do that, but I’ll go do that personally. So just recently I like binge listened like every Alex Hermosy episode. He’s a business guy. That looked interesting to me. Probably like I spent 7 hours ingesting all of his thinking or more, maybe 20 hours.

 

Alex |

And right now, I’m doing the same thing for online marketing made easy with Amy Porterfield. I just get to know a person pretty soon. I listen to them for so intensely, for such in such a short period of time with so much input, that pretty soon I already know what they’re going to say and that’s how I grow and I change. So I think that’s a really great approach that you shared. Do you have anything to say about what makes a good student? Because now we know kind of like, what kind of mentors we should be looking for, but what makes a good student? What makes someone a good mentee?

 

Shalon Palmer |

Yeah, on that topic too, I think that really the focus really is on what makes a good mentee. Because a good mentor is just quite literally someone who has some sort of success in a specific area. Because I don’t think it’s the mentor’s job to make sure that you’re getting the information that they’re giving you. I think all of it, like I said before, information has to be pursued. It’s not going to be handed to you. So a good mentor has already learned all of this information. They’ve already done it. It’s your job to get the information from them. Just because they are great at something doesn’t mean that they’re going to be a great teacher either. So it’s your job to ask the right questions, hang around and soak up bits of information when you can. The great ideas, like I said, they’re not going to interrupt you. You have to get out there and really get them. So that’s what makes a great mentee is someone who goes out and is hungry to get that information. So a really good mentor isn’t going to pursue you because they’re successful, they’re busy. A good mentor is busy.

 

Shalon Palmer |

You have to be diligent. You have to find ways that you can serve them and bring value to them. There’s really high level mentorship programs, and I heard you mention Alex Hormosy. He tells the story about how he paid, like, what is some crazy, like not a million, he pays like $100,000 or something more just to be able to be in a mastermind group, to just speak to someone like once a month. So it’s like in these high level mentorship programs, you can easily pay like six figures a year just to be able to speak to someone. Because they know the value. They understand the value that this mentorship and guidance from someone who has done it before to get you from A to B time is the most valuable resource here. It’s not money. You can always get more money. You can never get more time. So it’s like, how can we shorten our distance from A to B? And a lot of us, we like to sit on the sideline lines and be like, oh, we can’t afford it, and just like, that’s the end of it. Or we don’t have the time.

 

Shalon Palmer |

Or whatever. I’m here to tell you that you can’t afford not to, because I know whether it’s obviously we’re not spending $100,000 to speak to someone a couple of times, but maybe maybe you offer to work for someone for free. Like, maybe you buy someone lunch. Maybe you do something for them, like get creative. Like, we tend to to value things a lot more anyway when we put in some of our own energy. So if you’re just getting things if a mentor just came to you and say, I want to teach you, you’d be like, okay, that’s great, but you didn’t put forth any of your own energy. There was no energy exchange there. But if you were like, if I paid you $1,000 to talk to me for an afternoon dang right. I’m listening to everything you said. I’m taking a note on everything you said. I’m implementing it immediately. It’s like we value things a lot more when we put in our own energy. If you are looking for someone in person, like, get out there. There’s so much value in working someone for free or doing something or offering some sort of maybe you have a skill that you can exchange.

 

Shalon Palmer |

I met with a business coach one time, and I remember we were having a conversation, and he was talking about something about his goals. And goals are something that I’ve studied a lot and have done a lot and taught a lot of people about how to set effective goals and stuff. So I was like, I can help you. Like, I’ve done this training and this training for, like, goals. I’ve been to a lot of things on learning that, and he was, like, really instantly right there. He was like, okay, cool. So I just, like, laid out everything I knew about goals and just served him, you know, like and so he was happy to, like, meet with me a couple of times a month just to, like, talk about what I had questions about, like and he and I was teaching him about this thing that I knew about. So there’s areas that we can teach things. And so I know that I mentioned this a second ago, but there’s another quote that I love, and I really wish I could remember who said this, but it’s like, if you let your learning lead to knowledge, you become a fool.

 

Shalon Palmer |

If you let your learning lead to action, that’s when your life changes. And so I think a great mentee or just any student of life puts into action the things that they’re learning. They don’t get caught up in the learning. It’s more about doing and the action. And so everybody has amazing ideas. Everybody has a million dollar idea. When someone comes to me or when they’re talking about, I have this idea that’s like, a million dollars. I don’t even bat an eyelid. I’m like that’s. Cool. Everybody has a million ideas. The thing that separates people that are actually successful and people that just have ideas is the action, the implementation, the actually doing it. So it’s way different than just having an idea and then doing it. But, yeah, I think that’s what makes a great minute, just like that, putting it into action and the willingness to get out there and do it.

 

Alex |

You guys, there’s so much gold. I want everybody to go back and rewatch or relay this episode, because what Shaylan is sharing is like, this is how we move forward in any sphere of our lives. And so I know this isn’t like the typical worship leader stuff, but this is like the actual important stuff of not how to play your guitar or build a set. Those things matter. And we all have courses on all that stuff, right? But really, this is the stuff that will give you the steam you need and the knowledge you need and then the skills you need and the actions you need to take to move forward in every area of your life. And so as we wrap up this first part of the conversation on Mentorship, I want to just kind of maybe not ask you, but maybe just say this to the listeners that what you need to do now is say, who is someone in a place where I want to be one day? Whether they’re digital on the Internet, or, like, it’s a podcast, or whether it’s someone in your church, or whether it’s someone, you know, who’s really healthy or whatever, or financially set, who is the person that is currently where you want to be in the future?

 

Alex |

And then just go ask them how you can serve them and glean from them at the same time. And I think that’s the first step you need to take. If you’re listening to this and you’re like, I need to find some more mentors and surround myself with people who are where I want to be, identify who those people are and then make steps towards them, that would be kind of the big action step from this episode. Do you have any closing words before I ask you to share where people can get the book and connect with you?

 

Shalon Palmer |

Yeah, like you said, if there’s anything that anything that you want to do in your life, like worship leadership, whether you want to grow a ministry or a team or literally anything, there is a 99.99% chance that someone out there has done it before. So finding a mentor is just literally just finding that person or people a mentor. It’s a guide that can shorten your distance from A to B by 90%. It’s like so if you’re a worship leader, you or you want to be one, I think worship mentors will will definitely help shorten your learning curve. In every area of worship leadership. We’ve covered even building a set, we’ve covered songwriting, leading ministries, prayer, all the spontaneous worship, all of those things from people that are doing it every day, that are experts in their field and have grown massive, massive impacts through that. So you could spend your entire life, like trying to learn how to be a great worship leader, or you can stand on the shoulder of giants and shorten your distance from A to B.

 

Alex |

That’s so good.

 

Shalon Palmer |

And where can they get the book worshipmentorsbook.com.

 

Alex |

Awesome. Perfect. URL and I will also put that link in the show notes or under the YouTube video. Shailen. Thank you for your time, Academy members. We’re going to jump into the Q and A in just a second, so hang tight and we’ll see you in a second. Thanks for tuning in today. I hope this episode encouraged you, helped.

 

Alex |

You and pushed you forward in your ministry. If it helped you, can you take a second and help us by sending it to just one person that you think needs to hear this?

 

Alex |

And if you’re feeling extra nice, leave.

 

Alex |

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