Battling Insecurity While Stepping Into Your Calling w/ Patrick Mayberry

Alex |

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Alex |

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Alex |

Guys, I love Patrick already because he’s just fun. And he already used the word sharknado in my conversation with him before we went live. So I’m like, Dude, if anybody talks about sharknado, they’re definitely cool. So how are you doing, Patrick?

Patrick Mayberry |

Could there be anything more deadly?

Alex |

Could there be anything more deadly than a sharknado? I don’t think so.

Patrick Mayberry |

Top that in the chat.

Alex |

Top that in the chat. Yeah, in the chat, let us know if there’s anything more deadly than a sharknado. Maybe the presence of God for a single person.

Patrick Mayberry |

Well, come on. We’re just…

Alex |

Yeah, you’re right. Sorry, I had to spin it theological.

Patrick Mayberry |

Yeah, you took it there.

Alex |

Okay, so just for our listeners who may not know Patrick, hopefully they do, let me just brag about you a little bit, Patrick. So Patrick is a signed singer, songwriter. He tours with people like R end Collective, David Crowder, I mean, big names. His songs have been picked up by David Leonard, Max Brock, Northpoint worship. And my favorite song that you’ve written, Patrick, is called Holy Spirit Come. It has 1.3 million views on YouTube when I wrote these notes. I’m not sure if it’s grown from there, but that’s quite a bit of success that you have seen and that God has blessed you with. And yet you really struggled with insecurity. And you’re very open on your bio, your biography, on your label’s website. You share just like you knew God was calling you to step out. And yet there was this insecurity in you just like, I don’t know if I can do what I feel God is asking me to do. And I can tell you, Patrick, so many worship leaders, including myself, we all face that constantly. Insecurity is a huge issue. So I just, first of all, wanted to say, thank you for being real.

Alex |

Thank you for being authentic. Thank you for typing that up on your bio. And thank you for being willing to talk about it today for the Academy members and those who are going to listen after the fact. So, I don’t know, do you want to say anything before we get into really digging into that topic?

Patrick Mayberry |

No, I’m so pumped and I am wherever I am on my journey. And so it’s been a blast, a blast, slash, not a blast, just following the Lord into an unknown new season. So I’m just pumped to share. And I don’t know much, but anything I know, I will tell anyone.

Alex |

I love that. You seem just like a genuine and humble human being, which I love. And I love seeing that. And you would think that everybody in the body of Christ is like that, but unfortunately, that’s not always the case. But I’d love, Patrick, just maybe take us a little bit back to the beginning of that journey. You’re a worship leader at what, Soul City Church or something in Chicago, right? And you feel God is putting something on your heart to step out into an unknown season. Can you tell us about that call or that sense of call? And then also talk about a little bit of the hesitancy and why you felt hesitant.

Patrick Mayberry |

Yeah. So I mean, it’s a really long story. And to be brief, I feel like the Lord has uniquely created each one of us. And our stories are so important, where we’ve been, where we are. And I think the Lord wants to use all that for where we’re going. And I grew up in a in and out of church, and the church that I grew up in was no music. Instruments were highly illegal in the church. So I didn’t know anything about Christian music at all. I didn’t know anything about worship music. I missed out on everything. The hot thing in my world was classic rock and 90s country. I didn’t discover anything about worship music until I was later in college. I got taken to a passion conference in Atlanta. T hat’s where really my first experience was like, Oh, wow. This is very different than anything I’ve experienced. It’s funny, there was actually a journey for a while where I had to figure out, I had to reconcile, Is this Biblical correct? T hat’s a whole another story. But the Lord used music to lure me in. I was just like, the hook was set so deep and I was obsessed.

Patrick Mayberry |

I felt like at that moment, the Lord was like, Dude, you could keep… I was playing in some other bands and more just rock and roll bands. I felt like the Lord was like, You could keep doing that, or What if you use music to build my church? I just became obsessed. Fast forward, my talent far outweighed my character and definitely my understanding of worship. That got me maybe in some positions I didn’t need to be in quite yet, but some leaders who were like, Hey, you should try leading here. I’m like, Oh, what does that mean? Really grateful for those opportunities, though. But over the next, I guess, 15 or 20 years, I just was leading worship at College Ministry and then led on to my church and eventually going on a staff, which led my wife and I to Chicago to be a part of a newer church that was starting in the city in Chicago and had really always had a heart for writing songs and just felt very natural of like, Well, why don’t we write songs for our little church or our college ministry at the time? Our pastors teaching on this thing, we should write a song about it.

Patrick Mayberry |

Or this person in our small group is walking through a really tough time. Let’s write a song that could encourage them or help point them back to the truth of God. It and so that’s always been my passion. And then fast forward, I’d been in Chicago for about four or five years and just been writing a lot of songs. I would make up these little demos to share with the band so they could learn, here’s what I want the drums to sound like. And a friend of mine ended up sharing those with a label that was based out of Franklin, Tennessee, where I live now. And that began this relationship of, what if you started partnering with us, writing songs? That was such an experience to just learn more about songwriting and a lot of co writing and getting the chance to write with other really talented people. But just constantly always carrying this heart for like, I want to write songs for my church. I feel like that’s the greatest target is if you’re a young writer or you’re trying to write songs, don’t write songs for the church, write songs for your church and trust God if those ever make it out of your four walls.

Patrick Mayberry |

But I feel like we’re in a little weird spot right now just with the music industry and worship where we’re trying to write these massive songs that could go across the globe, which is amazing. But I think that the Lord has planted us where we are for a reason. And so I’ve always wanted to write songs for my local body. So that’s a real quick snapshot of my story. So what was the second part of.

Alex |

The question? As you felt this shift, because I think what happens is anytime someone feels God calling them into something, opposition comes. When God says go, the enemy goes no. That was catchy, wasn’t it? So I feel like there’s something that happens, and I bet you it happened with you as well, where you’re like, Wow, God is stirring in my heart. He’s opening doors. He’s giving opportunity, but I’m not sure I’m good enough. I’m not sure I’m qualified. So what was that like for you as a pastor worship leader turning into a songwriter artist? What were the insecurities and how did that come against you?

Patrick Mayberry |

Yeah. So I didn’t struggle with disqualification. I majorly struggled with unqualification. And a lot of that was just a journey. And it was God showing me what didn’t need to be true about me, what didn’t matter, what he didn’t care about, what he wasn’t concerned about, and what did matter to him. And so I’m on this journey where I felt God inviting me to step out. I’m like, Lord, but what does that even mean? Who am I? It’s all identity. It’s 100 % identity. I feel like the last four years of this journey, I feel like it’s God just been dealing with some serious identity issues that I’ve had about myself and that honestly, I probably had about him and this father son relationship. I remember specifically being at a writing retreat, which this was a group of friends in Atlanta, and they’d pull together all these amazing writers and worship leaders. We were sitting in the living room one morning before the day was getting started, and we were just doing a big breakfast and worship time. I remember sitting there, it was the last day of this little writing trip. I’d been there maybe three days.

Patrick Mayberry |

I had a lot of this stirring in me, feeling like God was calling me, maybe I need to start like, I’ve got something to say that God uniquely wants to use me to say, or my experiences, or how could I write songs for people like me to maybe see God in a different way? I remember sitting there and we were getting ready for this worship time, and I had this overwhelming thing that happened where I looked at the guy who was tuning his guitar. These are all people that we would all be like, Oh, yeah, I get that. That makes sense. But I’m not going to share names, but I’m like, I can’t sing like that guy. This guy over here, he came up in this ministry that has been putting out music forever, and we all know and love. That person over there is just the most amazing anointed worship leader ever. That girl over there wrote this massive song that every church in the world is singing. I just felt so overwhelmed. It happened so fast. I just remember going, I don’t belong here. I don’t belong here at all. I haven’t been doing this.

Patrick Mayberry |

I didn’t grow up in church, especially a church that had instruments. I didn’t come up in a ministry. I didn’t go to music school. I am still like… There was just so many things that I quickly just went like, I’m not this, I’m not that. I’m not… And I felt like just as quickly as all that happened, I felt the Lord say, Dude, the only reason you belong here is because you’re mine. And it shifted everything for me. And that was the start. And that didn’t solve all my problems. That was the start of an unraveling that’s been going on the last four years of this identity piece of me realizing it has nothing to do with what I can do. It has everything to do with who I belong to. I think so often in this weird world we’re in of church is getting really polished. We’re listening to these worship albums that just sound amazing. Then we’re trying to mimic that on a Sunday. A lot of times with a volunteer group of players, you can just get real down on yourself in comparison and just feel like a big old fraud. You’re like, Man, I’m never enough.

Patrick Mayberry |

I feel like that’s something that I’m probably going to keep carrying with me for a long time. But I feel like the Lord is teaching me. It’s way less about that, and it’s way more about who you are and who I am and that relationship and how that works. In our journey, when we first decided to make a move out of Chicago and move to Tennessee and really pursue this thing, this was still very real and raw. All these feelings of unqualified. I felt like the Lord was the story where the disciples see Jesus walking out on the water. Peter’s like, If it’s you, Lord, tell me to come. And he’s like, All right, come on out. And Peter starts walking on water, and then he sees the waves and takes his eyes off Jesus and falls. I felt like my story, I interpreted it as like the Lord was like, All right, I’m inviting you to get out of the boat and walk this way. And I felt like I had a 1,000 excuses to be like, Well, Lord, I can’t swim that good. I can’t swim like Michael Phelps, the Olympic swimmer. I can’t sing like this guy over here.

Patrick Mayberry |

I’m not doing that. I’m not in this massive ministry. I felt like the Lord was like, Dude, I didn’t ask you if you could swim. I didn’t ask if you could sing. I just said, Come and fix your eyes on me. Again, that was the identity piece of trusting that God was calling me into something, believing that I was his kid and believing that he was my father, who actually really loves me and cares about me. Even when I’m still putting out music and stuff and even when I’m leading worship, I try to remind myself, obviously, I want to prepare and I want to be really intentional and pray through and ask God how our time should look and what songs we should sing. But at the end of the day, I found myself trying to care way less about how I sound or if I mess up something and I just care more about the anointing of God. Were people invited to worship? Did I just get up there and try to perform a bunch of songs, or did I truly try to create on ramps for people to, in a hospitable way, engage in worship?

Patrick Mayberry |

Because that’s all we’re called to do as worship leaders. We’re called to create spaces for people to lead worship. It’s funny. I’m really bad. When I get invited to come lead worship somewhere, I’ve had this happen a few times. I’ll lead worship, and then I’ll get done. Then people, one person or whatever, will come up to me afterwards and be like, Dude, why didn’t you lead your song? Why didn’t you sing Holy Spirit Come? Or this song? I’m like, Well, nobody knows those songs. Hear me, I don’t mean this in a self deprecating way, but at times I will. But it’s like, I want to lead a song that there’s a 99 % chance everybody in this room has heard before so that I can serve the people. And I get it. There’s the whole conversation on singing a new song and teaching people. And I believe I’m not discrediting any of that. But I just want to hospitably serve people really well. And so I’m getting more of a confidence in a lot of that and uniquely what God has called me to do as I’m walking out, being a worship leader, songwriter thing.

Alex |

Oh, my gosh, dude, there’s so much gold there that I want the listeners to go back and listen to. There’s so many directions we could go in this conversation, but I just want to highlight a couple of things. First of all, just a very small highlight at the end where you talked about it’s about inviting, not impressing. That is like the key to being a great worship leader is that hospitality and caring more about the room than how you sound on stage. There was a new kid coming onto our worship team in the last week or so, and he was nervous. I told him, No one cares about you. I said it in a mean but loving way, No one’s here for us. Literally, they are not looking at us because they care about us. They’re looking at us because the lyrics are behind our head. That’s the only reason they’re looking in our direction. That’s a little side tangent. But the identity piece, I want to go into that because what you’re sharing is the number one way insecurity creeps up is by comparison. It’s looking at how you compare or how you stack up to everyone else where you’re saying God’s not asking you to be everyone else.

Alex |

He’s asking you just to be his son or his daughter. And so, oh, man, I’m like, where do we go with this conversation? Do you have any more thoughts that you want to share based on that before I ask the questions?

Patrick Mayberry |

Well, yeah. I would just say it’s still really hard, though. I’m a dad myself, so I had never been on tour before, and I got to go out on tour this last summer. And it was with Crowder and We the Kingdom. So it was really fun and just an amazing experience. But I remember my kids came to see their first show, and our youngest is six. It’s so cool when your family comes because they all get the lanyards that make them look like they’re legit, like in Wayne’s world, it’s like, we’re cool. That’s funny. I remember my son lost his in five seconds or something. But I remember I was following him backstage and there was this security guard standing there, keeping the door. My six year old son was just bolting through all the people and just turned up and just sprinted up the ramp right past the security guard like, Yeah, whatever. I was following him like 10 or 15 steps behind. I had this moment where I felt like the Lord… The Lord teaches me so much through my kids. I felt like the Lord was like… I’m like, Dude, my son’s name is Crosby.

Patrick Mayberry |

I’m like, Crosby, you don’t have a badge on. That security guard is going to arrest you. You can’t just be running around. And I felt like the Lord was like, He’s running around like he owns the place because his dad is on the stage singing and the people are here to see his dad. And I felt like the Lord was like, Why don’t you do that with me? You’re my kid. You’ve got the VIP badge on. You’ve got it written on your heart. So start walking around the place like you own the place. Not elegantly, but just owning this calling that God has called me into. I felt like the Lord just gently was like, I still struggle with this. And here’s the deal. Anybody wants to just be chosen, and that’s it. Any young worship leader, any old worship leader, we just want to all be chosen. We want to get up there on stage and we want to sound good and we want to play good. And if there’s anyone that matters in our life sitting out in the congregation, at the end of the day, we want them to be like, Yeah, you did a great job.

Patrick Mayberry |

Who doesn’t want that? So it’s a real battle of this affirmation. But at the end of the day, there’s a little boy in me who just wants to know that he’s going to get chosen. That’s what the Lord has been teaching me. It’s like, I chose you and I’m still going to choose you. But, oh, buddy, I can remember, I live in Nashville, so let’s say I’m at church on Sunday. I’m actually leaving this Sunday. Let’s say Chris Tomlin’s there or someone crazy like Phil Wickham’s there, 3,000 % there’s something in me that would want them to be like afterwards, Dude, you did an awesome job, or You’re so talented. It’s like, You’re crazy if you don’t want that affirmation. We’re humans and we respect those people. I look up to those people. So to get affirmation from someone you respect and that’s awesome. So it’s this weird balance, man. I don’t have it figured out. This is where I am right now today.

Patrick Mayberry |

I don’t know. I’m just trying to care way less and just trust God.

Alex |

Yeah, that’s good. And I think with looking for affirmation from people, like you said, we all naturally want that. But then realizing that our affirmation comes from the creator of the entire universe. And it’s like, okay, a person who used to once wear a diaper versus the creator of the heavens and the Earth, whose opinion do I actually care about? And it’s like, once you put a human being in perspective of like, they once wore a diaper and they’ll probably wear a diaper when they’re old and then they’ll be in the dirt, it’s like, well, they don’t really matter that much, do they? I’m not sure why I’m fixated on diapers today. I do not have small children in my house anymore. There’s a phrase that God has been putting in my head as you’re speaking, and I don’t know if it’s because I’m reading a lot about the conquest of the promised land. But the phrase is like, when God gives you a space, nothing can take it away. It’s just like, I’m owning this because this is mine. God gave this to me. Whatever is happening around the promised land, it doesn’t matter.

Alex |

This is mine and I’m going to step into this. I do have a question because something you said small in the beginning of the conversation was you were just making demos. You were just being faithful. You were just trying to serve your local church. And those demos somehow got to someone else’s hands and a door opened for you naturally. You didn’t try to force it. I would love to hear how you knew God was calling you because that’s a big question that people wrestle with is like, Is this me? Is this my desires? Or how do I know God is the one calling? Do you have any thoughts about that as you think back on that?

Patrick Mayberry |

Yeah. Obviously, I’m a big believer in faithfulness is way more important than fruitfulness. I’ve always tried to just trust that God actually really cares about my life and he cares about this interview. He cares about me walking my kids to school this morning. He cares about whatever we’re going to do this afternoon. I’m learning to trust and trust and trust more and more that God actually cares about my life so that wherever He has me, I just want to be really faithful because I’m there for a reason. This is where he wants me. I don’t know. This is not a new statement, but being faithful where you are, faithful where you’re planted. I think that’s so crucial. I just think God likes that. This is where I can struggle with feeling like a fraud because I’m not a perfect person at all. But it’s like I try to do really hard, wholehearted work wherever I am and love people well and just be kind to people and have a whole lot of fun doing it. I think that was our season in Chicago. I think God opened this new door and we prayed a lot and really asked for a lot of confirmation and felt like the Lord was inviting us to step out into this new journey.

Patrick Mayberry |

I just think, especially for young people in ministry or young people in worship ministry, just be so faithful right where you are and just crush it. Like, crush it and know that you’re there because God wants you there. I have to remind myself, one time I was at this writing retreat, and I remember in the morning, this dude who was running the whole thing, he would divide the groups up for the day and be like, Okay, you three people over there, you three people over there. The first day I got put in these groups with just these awesome people. I’m like, What in the world? This is crazy. Then the next day, I got put in groups with… It sounds awful. They just were very new writers, had never really written songs before. Then the third day or something, I was just, again, I was down on myself thinking, They put me with those people because they don’t think I’m good enough. The Lord is doing work in me. But I remember sitting quietly and the Lord was like, Do you not trust me? Do you think that guy who’s splitting up the groups knows more than I know, especially about the music that my church is singing?

Patrick Mayberry |

I feel like that’s a huge thing for me. The day I learned that God cares way more about worship music than I do, or the music industry does, this is the music of his church, so he cares about it. I felt like the Lord was like, The group that I put you in is the group I want you in. Wow. Even with my publishers, I felt like the Lord was like, I am your publisher. They are there to help you, but I’m your publisher. I am your whatever. The Lord is just like, Just trust me, man. I feel like even I’m still in seasons where I’m like, I believe that I can trust the Lord, but I still am a real human who faces scary things and life decisions. I’m like, Lord, okay. Are you still here? Are you still in this? Did I make a wrong turn or something? But I feel like God is just inviting me more and more and more to just keep trusting Him. And even when I’m leading worship, trusting Him when I’m leading worship. Like I said, being so prepared, but also trying to create space for trust.

Alex |

Yeah. This all comes down to faith, really. It’s like, God, you’ve called me. You’ve placed me. It’s all from you. It’s all to you. It’s all for you. It couldn’t be any other way. I’m not super, super dogmatic about Calvinism or Arminianism or whatever. I believe there’s a balance and we don’t fully understand it personally. But more and more as I get older and I watch God unfold his story in my life, I’m like, It couldn’t be any other way. I am exactly where he has me and there’s no other alternative. It’s like, He just put me here. And same with you, I’m sure. And I want to ask you this one question before we move into our academy Q&A time. And that is, I had a couple of people in the academy in the last couple of weeks who just joined recently, and they both don’t sing or play anything, but their churches appointed them to be the leader, the worship leader or the choir director. They’re like, Are you sure? One girl was like, I’m joining because they put me in charge. I’m like, Do you want to be in charge? She’s like, Not really.

Alex |

Like you said just a few minutes ago, God does not make mistakes in where he places people. He sovereignly chose to place every single worship leader listening to this exactly where he has you. He did not make a mistake in choosing you. So how would you encourage, counsel, shepherd, the worship leaders listening who feel unqualified or under qualified? What words of encouragement do you have.

Patrick Mayberry |

For them? I would say that to an extent, you’re always going to be unqualified and stay unqualified. Stay there. That’s a good spot to be because that means you need someone else to come through for you. I just feel like that invites at every turn, opportunities for you to trust the Lord more. I do think that God doesn’t make mistakes. If you can’t play or sing, but you’re looking after a community of worshipers and you’re helping faithfully on Sundays create a space. That’s what I always said to my team. I was like, on Sundays, we do our midweek rehearsals. I was like, Guys, we get to create a space for people to connect with Jesus. We did that through music, but the host team did it through greeting people and saying hi and helping them find a seed. The production team did it through all the magic that they do. The pastor did it through the message. I would just say look for and ask God what are the things you’re specifically wired for and that you’re really good at. My wife and I, we have a high gift of hospitality and not like we’re like, we make our house look cool and have people over.

Patrick Mayberry |

Not that. I’m just saying we have a high seventh, sixth sense, seven sense, whatever one more sixth sense just to try to make people feel welcome wherever they are. And we just are always scanning the room for, Okay, who’s someone that needs a friend? Or is like, How could we connect them with someone else? And just trying to disarm a room because I feel like that’s how you can bring people together. And so for the longest time, I’m like, how do I use that in worship? How do I be hospitable in worship? And how do I make sure the person on the back row who feels like they don’t belong here, but they’re here because their ex wife’s coworker invited them or something. And they’re like, I don’t belong in Church. And I’m like, No, you do. And I want to figure out how to make you feel welcome here. And so just asking the Lord to show you different ways that you can use your giftings. You had mentioned some of the people who they don’t sing or play an instrument. I’m like, That’s awesome. Maybe you won’t get caught up in the head games of like, Did I sound good?

Patrick Mayberry |

You could be such a gift to the people who are on the platform singing and playing, and you get to have this eagle eye over the whole experience and view, are people engaging? Why aren’t they engaging? Maybe because the volume is too quiet, or maybe the volume is too loud, and the vocal sounds funny because of this, or the lights are weird, and maybe we don’t need lights at all. Maybe we just need to turn all the lights on. You get to create, you’re almost the shepherd of the worship experience and the worship team. You get to pray for the young drummer who is first time playing and you see this thing in him. I just feel like it’s asking God how you’ve uniquely wired yourself, and then how does that flesh itself out? And it doesn’t have to look one way. However you grew up, it doesn’t have to look that way. The churches you’re watching, it doesn’t have to look like that. And I feel like that’s been the best thing for me. But also, I will say exposure to the way other churches are doing it is really helpful just to be like, Oh, there isn’t one way.

Patrick Mayberry |

This church does it like this. This church does it like this. They’re very different, but they’re working really well for both of their context. So what does it look like for our context? I don’t think the person who is on the microphone leading every Sunday has to be the leader. I think that doesn’t hold up. I think there can be a myriad of variations of how.

Alex |

It looks. Thank you. Thanks for all those thoughts. Okay, so this episode will be releasing in May. You are going on tour in May. Do you want to tell us a little bit about… Well, as I set you up for this question, I also want you to be thinking about this one last question, which is, do you have any final thoughts based on identity and how it fights against insecurity? So just in the back of your mind. But tell people where to go to get tickets for your tour. You just recently released a project called Easy to Praise. It’s a single. So tell people a little bit about the single. Tell them about the tour and where they can get tickets. And I’ll make sure to put links in the show notes for all that.

Patrick Mayberry |

So, yeah, I’ve been working on a new album. The album comes out later this year and nobody cares. I’ll just tell you what it’s called. My label will be like, no, but it’s called Wild Faith. And it’s about a song called Wild Faith that is all about this journey that I’ve been on these last couple of years and all these songs. There’s actually a song that is an identity song and me, all of this conversation and what I’m not this, but I’m actually this. And I’m so excited. So Easy to Praise was the first single that came out out of all of these. There’s actually another song that comes out this week. So I guess when people hear this, that one will already be out. So yeah, I’m super excited. I feel like I really believe in a lot of these songs. I believe in all of them. I feel like the Lord is like… They are Ebeneezers for this last season, and I’m so grateful that I’ve gotten to work on them, and I’m so excited that I’ve gotten to record them and that they’re going to get to come out. My prayer is that they’ll be pieces of truth that will just trickle out into a weird, broken world.

Patrick Mayberry |

I hope they’ll encourage people and point people back to Jesus. The tour, I’m going out with the Wren Collective, which I’m so excited. I think you can find tickets on my website or Wren Collective’s website. It’s just Patrick Mayberry Music. I’ll be talking about it on all the social media things and super excited.

Alex |

Just for the listeners, if you have not yet introduced Patrick’s song, Holy Spirit, come in your church, it is a banger. It rocks and it’s worshipful and it’s easy to sing. It’s congregational. It’s a win. It’s a massive win for you, for your team, and for your church. So definitely check that song out if you guys haven’t been singing it for your church. But Patrick, last final words for the general public about identity versus insecurity, and then we’ll move into our.

Patrick Mayberry |

Academy Q&A. Yeah. Have grace with yourself and almost think of it as it’s playful. Play with the idea of like, Okay, what if my perfection doesn’t matter? What if my credit sheet doesn’t matter? What if my number of followers doesn’t matter? What if this song doesn’t matter? What if all that matters is that the God of the universe calls me his and he uniquely created me and he knows me? I’m not saying you can say that to yourself and you’re going to be fixed. That’s not it. But what if you just had grace with yourself and played with that idea and dug more into your identity as a son or a daughter of the King of Kings? I’m going on like, of really honing in on this journey. It’s like year four for me. I imagine I’m going to continue this journey for the next 9,000 years until I’m with Jesus in eternity. But it’s way less about you than you think. But it’s also a whole lot about you, too, because God created you and he loves you and he created you for himself. So it’s this funny world of like, it’s not about you, but it actually is about you.

Patrick Mayberry |

But it’s also about Jesus and it’s more about your relationship together.

Alex |

That really just last thought, reminds me of Ephesians 2.10, which is we are Christ’s workmanship. That word workmanship is carefully crafted work of art. We are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works that we might walk in them, which he prepared for us in advance. I think I mixed up the order there, but basically, he made each one of us for a specific purpose to occupy a specific amount of territory and space. He designated it, he pre planned it, and our job is just to step into that. Patrick, thank you. This has been amazing. For the Academy members, hold tight, we’re going to jump live into our live Q&A in one second. For the rest of the listeners, God bless you guys. Please subscribe, like, follow, share this out to the world because we want to share the amazing advice that Patrick shared with us today. So let’s jump into our Academy Q&A. Hold tight, guys. Thanks for tuning in today. I hope this episode encouraged you, helped you, and pushed you forward in your ministry. If it helped you, can you take a second and help us by sending it to just one person that you think needs to hear this?

Alex |

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